Dario Amodei, Co-founders (CEO & President) at Anthropic
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AI
Approx. $390 Million/mo
Approx. $4.7 Billion ARR

Dario AmodeiCo-founders (CEO & President)

In this interview, Anthropic co-founders Dario and Daniela Amodei address the safety and ethical dilemmas of rapid artificial intelligence development. The siblings discuss the capabilities of their new Mythos model in cyberwarfare, their decision to refuse Pentagon contracts for autonomous weapons and mass surveillance, and the potential displacement of entry-level jobs. They analyze the challenge of age-verification, the structure of Claude's Constitution, and the struggle to steer a runaway technology at the speed of trust.

Dario Amodei

Dario Amodei

Co-founders (CEO & President)

Anthropic

Anthropic

Founder Stats

  • AI
  • Started 2021
  • Approx. $390 Million/mo
  • 3800+ team
  • San Francisco, California, United States

About Dario Amodei

Dario and Daniela Amodei are the co-founders of Anthropic, a public-benefit corporation dedicated to building safe and steerable artificial intelligence. Previously, the siblings served as key executives at OpenAI—Dario as Vice President of Research and Daniela as Vice President of Safety and Policy—before departing in 2020 to establish Anthropic in 2021. Under their joint leadership, the company has emerged as a global leader in AI safety, introducing constitutional training and the Claude model family.

Interview

July 28, 2026

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1. How do you justify racing to build AI when you acknowledge it could cause human extinction?2. How does the historical impact of the Industrial Revolution inform your view of the AI race?3. If the AI train cannot be stopped, how do you plan to steer it away from the rocks?4. Why is it so difficult for companies in the AI industry to slow down their development pace?5. How does Anthropic manage safety trade-offs when implementing strict child safety guardrails?6. What is your view on the danger of users forming romantic attachments to AI chatbots?7. How does Anthropic enforce its age restrictions, and can teenagers simply lie about their age?8. Why did Anthropic refuse to participate in the Pentagon's use cases for Claude?9. How did the co-founders react to the threat of being blackballed from government contractors?10. Was there a moment when you believed this standoff could cause the end of Anthropic?11. Why does the pressure driving AI toward dangerous applications often come from inside the system?12. How can the public actively participate in designing and steering artificial intelligence?13. Why do you believe that AI technology must be diffused at the speed of trust?14. How do you define the cultural value of holding both light and shade in AI development?15. Will the acceleration of AI inevitably wipe out fifty percent of entry-level jobs?16. What is the new Mythos model, and how did a capabilities jump occur?17. Why did Mythos surprise you during software security and exploit testing?18. Why did you restrict access to Mythos, giving it only to forty specific infrastructure defenders?
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How do you justify racing to build AI when you acknowledge it could cause human extinction?

Question 1 of 18
Dario Amodei

First of all, let no one ever say that Claude is soft or biased toward me, because it throws hardballs. This technology represents an epochal change for humanity, similar to fire or steam engines. While the Industrial Revolution led to powerful weapons, we understand it was worth doing, and we must manage AI in the right way.

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How does the historical impact of the Industrial Revolution inform your view of the AI race?

Question 2 of 18
Dario Amodei

The Industrial Revolution created powerful weapons and caused deaths, but humanity would not choose to return to living in caves. It taught us that epochal technological shifts are worth pursuing, provided we develop mature systems to regulate and manage the associated risks safely.

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If the AI train cannot be stopped, how do you plan to steer it away from the rocks?

Question 3 of 18
Dario Amodei

AI is a train moving very quickly, and since it is happening to humanity one way or another, we cannot stop it. Anthropic exists to stay on the train and actively steer it away from crashing, working to reduce the risk of catastrophic failure to zero.

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Why is it so difficult for companies in the AI industry to slow down their development pace?

Question 4 of 18
Dario Amodei

The technology has massive commercial applications that fund our research, making funding and safety goals deeply entangled. If a company slows down unilaterally, it loses ground to competitors who do not. Everyone in the industry is wrestling with these difficult tradeoffs.

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How does Anthropic manage safety trade-offs when implementing strict child safety guardrails?

Question 5 of 18
Dario Amodei

It is a constant struggle. For example, if you implement extremely strict policies to protect children, the system can sometimes deliver a worse experience for adults because it is difficult for a model to differentiate between the two user categories.

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What is your view on the danger of users forming romantic attachments to AI chatbots?

Question 6 of 18
Dario Amodei

Falling in love with an AI is a bad idea. If designed in the wrong way, these systems are compelling enough for that to happen. It is a real danger that is already occurring, which is why we must focus on designing models that help humans connect with other humans rather than turning inward.

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How does Anthropic enforce its age restrictions, and can teenagers simply lie about their age?

Question 7 of 18
Dario Amodei

We do not allow users under the age of eighteen to use Claude. While teenagers can attempt to lie, the Claude model is quite effective at analyzing behavioral cues and information to detect if a user is actually underage.

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Why did Anthropic refuse to participate in the Pentagon's use cases for Claude?

Question 8 of 18
Dario Amodei

We believe we must defend our country, but it is not worth defending if we violate our core values. The Pentagon requested two use cases we were uncomfortable with: fully autonomous drone armies and domestic mass surveillance. Because we refused, we could not agree on the contract.

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How did the co-founders react to the threat of being blackballed from government contractors?

Question 9 of 18
Dario Amodei

The Pentagon claimed they could stop other companies from doing business with us entirely if they did business with the government, which is basically everyone. The co-founders met around a table and unanimously decided to reject the contract, choosing to stick to our ethical principles.

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Was there a moment when you believed this standoff could cause the end of Anthropic?

Question 10 of 18
Dario Amodei

Yes, that possibility absolutely crossed our minds. It was an extremely stressful time at the company. However, the reason we founded Anthropic was our shared commitment to safety and ethics, and we felt we would no longer be the same company if we sacrificed those values.

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Why does the pressure driving AI toward dangerous applications often come from inside the system?

Question 11 of 18
Dario Amodei

The pressure is not driven by bad actors. It comes from governments demanding defense applications, investors looking for returns, and competitors who signed off on those requests. Anthropic held the line, but we are only one company in a massive ecosystem.

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How can the public actively participate in designing and steering artificial intelligence?

Question 12 of 18
Dario Amodei

There is a missing piece in how we make everyone an active participant. At Anthropic, we have experimented with Claude's Constitution, allowing citizens to provide direct feedback on the values that guide the model. However, we must find better ways to scale public involvement.

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Why do you believe that AI technology must be diffused at the speed of trust?

Question 13 of 18
Dario Amodei

Because this technology represents a massive shift for humanity, it must only proceed as fast as the public can trust it. Currently, public trust is in very short supply. I am glad most people view the technology with skepticism, as it keeps the industry honest.

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How do you define the cultural value of holding both light and shade in AI development?

Question 14 of 18
Dario Amodei

Holding light and shade means acknowledging that AI can both cure diseases and lead to dystopian outcomes. We believe AI will help humans spend more time with their families, but we must remain honest about the dark paths, rather than sugarcoating the narrative.

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Will the acceleration of AI inevitably wipe out fifty percent of entry-level jobs?

Question 15 of 18
Dario Amodei

If we simply barrel forward as fast as possible, that negative path is exactly what will happen. A better path requires companies, governments, and society to actively coordinate, helping workers adapt to a completely new set of jobs, which will not be easy.

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What is the new Mythos model, and how did a capabilities jump occur?

Question 16 of 18
Dario Amodei

Mythos is our latest model. While we try to make each iteration smarter at language, coding, and reasoning, we made key technical discoveries a few months before training Mythos, resulting in a particularly large capabilities jump.

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Why did Mythos surprise you during software security and exploit testing?

Question 17 of 18
Dario Amodei

During safety testing, we found that Mythos was significantly better than human software engineers at identifying exploits and vulnerabilities in code. We did not design it to be dangerous, but it turned out to be highly capable of both launching and defending against cyberattacks.

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Why did you restrict access to Mythos, giving it only to forty specific infrastructure defenders?

Question 18 of 18
Dario Amodei

Because Mythos behaves like a weapon, we chose not to release it to the public immediately. We shared it with forty companies core to internet infrastructure, including major banks and tech companies like Apple, Microsoft, and Google, so they could patch bugs before attackers got hold of it.

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